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24th June 2008, 16:00

ESWC lost in translation?

Some months ago, SK Gaming's Editor in Chief, Poland Michal 'Carmac' Blicharz, rhetorically asked "Why do we have rules?" as the MYM.cs-team was rejected the chance to defend their ESWC champions title. In the weekend the management and players of Russian Fede- Virtus.Pro could have been entitled to ask that very question, as they were denied the chance to participate in their local ESWC-qualification.

The problem rose as Virtus.Pro, tried to enter the Ukrainian ESWC-qualification. After recently adding Ukraine Mykhailo 'kane' Blagin, the former all-Russian team now had an overweight of Ukrainian players in the lineup, thus allowing them to participate in the Ukrainian ESWC-qualification.

According to GoodGame.ru (via SK-Gaming), the team was denied participation in the qualifier though, as the organizers wanted a local team to win the slot. Claiming that 'Virtus.Pro was a Russian project' and thus not eligible of participating in another country's qualifier, the Ukrainian organizers put themselves over the very rules that the ESWC-organization had issued for the preliminaries.

Facing the risk of missing the Grand Finals in San Jose later this summer, VP agreed to change the team-name to pro100 and were allowed to participate. Eventually the team won the tournament, thus qualifying as the Ukrainian representative at the ESWC Grand Finals in August.

With the qualifier finally resolved, one major question remains: Why did the ESWC comittee not interfere?


Virtus was eligible to compete

Rule 19 in the ESWC GENERAL REGULATIONS clearly says that:

§19

The nationality of a team is the same as the nationality of the club registered on ESWC.COM.

The Counter-Strile team will have to be composed of more than fifty (50) percent of players whose nationality matches the team’s nationality during the preliminary tournament and grand final. This provides the following possible nationality compositions: 5/0, 4/1, 3/2 or 3/1/1.

There is no doubt that Virtus.Pro was eligible of participating in the Ukrainian qualification. Fielding a lineup consisting of three Ukrainian players; kane, Zeus and Edward, should have been enough for the local organizers to accept their participation.


ESWC is laying low

If you compare this case to the one where MYM.cs was rejected a title-defense this summer, the ESWC comittee has been very quiet. Even though the controversy surrounded the official rules, there has been no official interaction from the ESWC comittee. There has been no official help to a Virtus.Pro-team which had the rules on its side, and there has been no official reprimand to the Ukranian organizers.

To me, it seems a little odd. While one of the main arguments for denying MYM.cs their title-defense was that the ESWC wanted to protect the organizations that paid the expenses for the champions, this fact was totally ignored here. The sponsors of Virtus.Pro relies on that the team they support, is getting attention when the players are participating in tournaments. In this case, Intel got nothing out of their sponsorship of Virtus.Pro, as it was actually pro100 that won the qualification.


The case is NOT closed

And while the ESWC comittee might have hoped for the controversy to die out, it is bound to flare up when we get closer to the Grand Finals. As the Ukranian organizers managed to get Virtus.Pro to change their name for the preliminary qualification, they will most likely also demand that the team plays as pro100 and under a Ukranian flag in San Jose. On the other hand, Virtus will have the rules on their side when they claim that they were unrightfully forced to change the name.

VP was taken hostage by headstrong organizers that decided to overrule the official rules. Why should they - or their sponsors - be punished for that?

While I see no reason why Virtus shouldn't play under a Ukranian flag; by ESWC's definitions they are in fact a Ukranian team, I would at no point expect them to play as pro100 in the Grand Finals. VP was taken hostage by headstrong organizers that decided to overrule the official rules. Why should they - or their sponsors - be punished for that?


ESWC is the biggest loser

The biggest loser in this game is the ESWC, who failed to interfere and avoid what has become an embarrassing showcase of the lack control they have. Whether the ESWC manages to avoid a name-farce at the Grand Finals is not known, but no matter how they work their way around it, this incident has shown the National Partners of ESWC that they can manipulate the rules to their own benefit.

If the ESWC wants to avoid falling in the same trap as CPL, losing its integrity and thereby its sponsors and community-support, they need to stay in control of things. Even if they are lost in translation.

 

 
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(5 months ago)  #1 markhorner
markhorner
nice read, seems a bit silly of them not to take control over these things tbh !
(5 months ago)  #2 myMYM|Wind
Wind
Looking forward to see if ESWC will respond to this..
(5 months ago)  #3 myMYM|Phil
Phil
I think they need to. The National Partners have a responsibility to follow the ruleset - just as well as the players have to. So I expect them to at least reprimand the Ukrainian organizers.
I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(5 months ago)  #9 Moule
Moule
Indeed, and the Ukrainian organizers can not do a such thing that's scandalous.... very nice column Phil!
Packard Bell Four Kings Editor
(5 months ago)  #4 myMYM|uNder
uNder
this is fucking ridicilous ...
even if you lose > never give up !
(5 months ago)  #5 Unbelievable
 
Scandals-scandals-scandals everywhere...
On the other side, it helps to get additional attention...

Boo!
(5 months ago)  #6 4KFmatthe88
matthe88
Shouldnt it be rule>>> all? TT
╦╦╦╦╦╦╦ The fence of the Ancients ╦╦╦╦╦╦╦
(5 months ago)  #7 charm
 
Quoting uNder:

this is fucking ridicilous ...

100 % agree...
(5 months ago)  #8 Loki-tama
 
faggots!!
(5 months ago)  #10 WGv1lat
v1lat
Guys!
Everything is normal
Why Ukraine has to pay trip to USA for RUSSIAN team???
Yes 3 players are from Ukraine, but it is russian project, and all players live in Russia..
So at ESWC we'll see 2 russian teams and ZERO form Ukraine!!!
It is not normal!

Organizers will not send DotA team but they'll pay for Russian CS team.......
It is normal?
(5 months ago)  #11 VieuMove
 
But rules are rules.
And VP should have been allowed to keep its name and represent Ukraine.
(5 months ago)  #16 myMYM|Phil
Phil
See this is where you are wrong. While Virtus might is a Russian project, that has nothing to do with the nationality of the players. When the ESWC Ukraine buy the rights to hold a qualifier, they also accept to send the team that wins - no matter where that team's organiztion comes from.

Russian or not, even the Ukrainian ESWC organizers have to follow the rules.

I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(5 months ago)  #18 fnatic.Roychez
Roychez
MYM is Danish "project", should their Polish Counter-Strike team attend the Danish qualifiers then?
(5 months ago)  #19 LINKAGE
LINKAGE
Basically, following your ideal, SK wouldn't be allowed as the project is German and the team Swedish, MYM the same way as it's Danish and their team is Polish, Fnatic are Australian and their team is also Swedish as SK.

It's not about the project or brand they represent, it's about the team being 3/5 Ukrainian and thus can only participate on ESWC Ukraine, they could never attend the Russian qualifier with that team, by ESWC rules they are Ukrainian. End of story.

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(5 months ago)  #12 VirtusJolie
Jolie
v1lat ahahahahahah
(5 months ago)  #13 Moule
Moule
Virtus Pro is a Russian based organization yeah, but since 3/5 of their players are from Ukraine the team is from Ukraine and not Russia ^^ that's really ridiculous to do a such thing, and moreover ESWC should apply its rules and nothing more, Virtus shouldn't be blamed they just do what they are supposed to do and nothing more...
those eswc guys from Ukraine are scandalous

Packard Bell Four Kings Editor
(5 months ago)  #14 EverShine
 
Very nice article, lots of detail, and looking forward to the respond from ESWC.
(5 months ago)  #15 myMYM|Dendra
Dendra
well after gus hiddink sent his own countrymen home crying with a painful loss..i believe anything can happen :)
If force won't work, use greater force.
(5 months ago)  #17 PainK
PainK
axaxax
*PaiN* StriKe lyK LiGhtnin
(5 months ago)  #20 MYM|Army
Army
Should teams then join organisations from weird countries to attend easier ESWC qualifiers?
Last edited by Army at 25.06.2008, 12:46

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(5 months ago)  #21 myMYM|Dendra
Dendra
good point and sadly yes, it happens often in sports - you cant find a spot in your own country so you go represent the other country, or your country sux so you go somewhere where you will be able to participate in whatever tournaments/stuff you wanted to participate in, best example is croatian guy playing for Austria (if i'm correct), in his prime cro had no good national team so he switched to austria :)
If force won't work, use greater force.
(5 months ago)  #22 sunR
sunR
yes , but being mostly ukrainian I think you may be overlooking the fact that they may no longer compete with their starting line-up in the russian qualifier and thus being forced to compete in the ukrainian one . I don't think an easier qualifier was what they had in mind, but one where they could compete with their starting line-up . Also , fnatic is an australian based organization for all i know but you don't see them competing in their national qualifier :] , so I'm nute sure organizations do that
Today is that tomorrow you were worried about yesterday /x
(4 months ago)  #23 _evan
_evan
This is a perfect example of the type of incident which is often overlooked by the columnists and better writers, meaning the behavior is often ignored and tolerated. It would be great if there was a 'full time' writer who wrote a few comment pieces every week highlighting (while trying to remain as 'objective' as possible) the problem areas behind issues like this, generally educating the masses at the same time.

As for the actual subject, the Electronic Sports World Cup (ESWC) will be hesitant to interfere purely because their regional partnership scheme is one of the few legitimate ways they as a company can produce money. Though they've a vested interest to try and avoid anyone dragging their name through the mud (something the Cyberathlete Professional League [CPL] failed to do), it's doubtful whether they would've said anything unless Virtus.Pro decided to boycott the event, but even then Virtus.Pro need ESWC more than the ESWC needs them.

The Ukrainian partner is probably a small private business with a limited budget and their market strategy probably revolves around promoting Ukrainian nationalism, possibly feeling the Virtus.Pro brand had strong conations with Russia and would be counter productive to their investment. This is perfectly understandable and they're trying to make money just like the players and Virtus.Pro as an organisation are, someone needs to take a stand otherwise other partners will only try more intrusive forms of marketing in future.
(4 months ago)  #24 myMYM|Phil
Phil
As you can see from this piece, it's rather useless to try and "educate" people. Controversial headlines and provocative writing always tend to get much more attention than controversies on this comparative "low" level.

And I agree with your last two paragraphs. I thought about adding the pros and cons to the column, but decided against it to avoid a too long piece.

I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(4 months ago)  #25 _evan
_evan
Quoting Phil:

As you can see from this piece, it's rather useless to try and "educate" people. Controversial headlines and provocative writing always tend to get much more attention than controversies on this comparative "low" level.


Well not everyone can be as insightful as you and I, otherwise there would be no need for journalists :P

I agree that you've to sensationalise somewhat to grab peoples attention, but I don't think we should give up on trying to educate people just yet!
(4 months ago)  #26 myMYM|Phil
Phil
Haha, that's one point I didn't think about :p

I think we can try all we want, but the general approach to columnists in eSport is "if it's hard to read, understand or interpret, let's flame the author or write tl;dr". I'll never give up though, and Mr. McInmussen (!!! :D) will digg deeper in the rotten world of eSport!

Ok, admitted, I'm a bit bored right now.
Last edited by Phil at 26.06.2008, 20:15

I'm forever blowing bubbles!
(4 months ago)  #27 exceLsis_
 
Ukraine ESWC are afraid of Russians team representing them? rofl

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